I do not think she is saying date rape or rape is cool. READ ALL OF WHAT SHE SAYS FIRST. She wish she had been more smart, worldy, and strong like girls today. She had tines when she did not want to really have sex with a guy ,and it was date rape to her because she was an active participant , but was not smart enough not to that fr with a man. It was not violent or anything like that. No ,she did not report it and thinks others in the same situation cannot cry rape either. Seems like she was in a situation many women get themselves into. You cannot be with a man in private in a private sexual way, undressing , stroking him, him to you, saying sexual things with your hands and body and allowing his to talk, taking off your clothes and his , willingly particpating in some sexual acts, and then change your mind and say , you are dated raped. Date rape or rape is violently mentally or violently emotionally or violently pyshically being made to partake in sexual acts against one's will. Violently can mean with a punch or hit or something.Rpae or date rape is violent.
I kind of agree with her. Girls, if you go home with a guy...go to his room...allow him to close the door and then proceed to take off your clothes and start getting intimate...really are you going to say you didn't think he would want to have sex? You just thought you would tease him until he couldn't hold off any longer? And ever heard of screaming or cell phones? C'mon...using date rape as an excuse in a situation like that is just date "remorse".
I think what she means is that in her time she didn't feel like she was even stong enough to say no. She found her self in these situations and didn't want to have sex with these men, but did anyway. She's saying that she didn't feel empowered to say no to these men, but now that she's an adult she can't go back now and say it was rape even though she didn't want to have sex.
You have to keep in mind that actors are used to have the dialog given them. They're not always able to formualate a well thought out point.
"You just thought you would tease him until he couldn't hold off any longer? And ever heard of screaming or cell phones?"
So... what, men are physically incapable of holding off? That's actually insulting to men. I think they're stronger than that. You're saying that if a man is aroused because of my actions, because I wanted to arouse him, I am obligated to satisfy him? What a crock of shit! Many people hook up without having sex the first time. And, many women let a man know that they are interested in fooling around but not having sex--BEFORE they get to his place.
A lot of date rape happens when a girl is DRUNK and has stupidly gotten herself into a bad situation. Doesn't mean she forfeits the right to say no. Cell phones and screaming don't really help if you're already passed out.
Sounds to me like Helen Mirren doesn't know what date rape is. It's not just regretting that you didn't say NO. It's not just having sex and not wanting to. It's saying NO, and a man doing it anyway. It's someone having sex with you when you are unable to say no. It's CLEARLY non-consensual sex. If she never had the balls to say no, then how could these guys know she meant it? I think that's what she's getting at. She wasn't strong and couldn't claim rape because she didn't say anything before, either.
I know for a fact there are a few people who frequent this site who think rape is funny and can be joked about. So, where are ya? I know you think this headline is also quite a gaff. . . Enjoy your week, insensitive freaks.
"You're saying that if a man is aroused because of my actions, because I wanted to arouse him, I am obligated to satisfy him? What a crock of shit! Many people hook up without having sex the first time."
There's no such thing as "date rape". You were either raped or you weren't. Some women toy with men then after things get going they passively utter a "no" that the guy doesn't think is serious and next thing you know she cries rape. If you really don't want it, SCREAM no and kick him in the nuts. If he does it anyway after that then it's rape.
There is another article on the Mail, I believe, by a woman who is complaining that the government is reducing money awarded to rape victims who are responsible for putting themselves into dangerous situations. This seems like common sense to me, perhaps Helen's response is to this as well.
If you passively say "no" to an agressive sales person do they go away? Answer=NO! You have to be rude and tell them to fuck off or just leave that location. Same with men. Don't go to their home, take off your clothes, play with their penis then passively say no when he's almost done. That's ridiculous, women have to take some responsibility for themselves by not putting themselves in the situation. Men are basically shaved apes so you have to really make the message clear or their brains don't get it.
If you're a guy, that's scary. If you're a woman, maybe you just haven't met enough great guys. I just think more highly of men than "shaved apes." How about instead of ONLY women having to "take responsibility for themselves" MEN do, too. It's true that women should absolutely avoid getting themselves into stupid situations. However, it's also true that men shouldn't use the excuse that they can't help themselves once their penises are hard, or that they are too stupid to understand "no."
Helen simply stated that in her own experience she felt disempowered and sometimes regretful following her own passive response to unwanted intercourse with dates. She is neither advocating rape, nor, dismissing that it does indeed occur in a date setting. She makes logical sense in stating that BOTH parties should accept responsibility for their actions and negotiate the outcome with respect for one another's feelings. A firm NO should suffice, we're not animals and we DO have self-control.
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By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:18:38
I do not think she is saying date rape or rape is cool. READ ALL OF WHAT SHE SAYS FIRST. She wish she had been more smart, worldy, and strong like girls today. She had tines when she did not want to really have sex with a guy ,and it was date rape to her because she was an active participant , but was not smart enough not to that fr with a man. It was not violent or anything like that. No ,she did not report it and thinks others in the same situation cannot cry rape either. Seems like she was in a situation many women get themselves into. You cannot be with a man in private in a private sexual way, undressing , stroking him, him to you, saying sexual things with your hands and body and allowing his to talk, taking off your clothes and his , willingly particpating in some sexual acts, and then change your mind and say , you are dated raped. Date rape or rape is violently mentally or violently emotionally or violently pyshically being made to partake in sexual acts against one's will. Violently can mean with a punch or hit or something.Rpae or date rape is violent.
By Read her first, on September 2, 2008 09:22:16
Helen - call me!
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:40:23
Yeah, I don't agree with everything she's saying here, but idlyitw messed up with this one...
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:42:31
The headline was obviously SARCASM. Stop taking this shit so seriously.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:45:43
I kind of agree with her. Girls, if you go home with a guy...go to his room...allow him to close the door and then proceed to take off your clothes and start getting intimate...really are you going to say you didn't think he would want to have sex? You just thought you would tease him until he couldn't hold off any longer? And ever heard of screaming or cell phones? C'mon...using date rape as an excuse in a situation like that is just date "remorse".
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:47:59
I think I'm just about the only sane person left on this planet...
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 09:48:29
i think she thinks its cool, so long as it's not done up the ass. That'd be a proper offence!
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 10:33:47
I think what she means is that in her time she didn't feel like she was even stong enough to say no. She found her self in these situations and didn't want to have sex with these men, but did anyway. She's saying that she didn't feel empowered to say no to these men, but now that she's an adult she can't go back now and say it was rape even though she didn't want to have sex.
You have to keep in mind that actors are used to have the dialog given them. They're not always able to formualate a well thought out point.
By justin, on September 2, 2008 11:08:09
"You just thought you would tease him until he couldn't hold off any longer? And ever heard of screaming or cell phones?"
So... what, men are physically incapable of holding off? That's actually insulting to men. I think they're stronger than that. You're saying that if a man is aroused because of my actions, because I wanted to arouse him, I am obligated to satisfy him? What a crock of shit! Many people hook up without having sex the first time. And, many women let a man know that they are interested in fooling around but not having sex--BEFORE they get to his place.
A lot of date rape happens when a girl is DRUNK and has stupidly gotten herself into a bad situation. Doesn't mean she forfeits the right to say no. Cell phones and screaming don't really help if you're already passed out.
Sounds to me like Helen Mirren doesn't know what date rape is. It's not just regretting that you didn't say NO. It's not just having sex and not wanting to. It's saying NO, and a man doing it anyway. It's someone having sex with you when you are unable to say no. It's CLEARLY non-consensual sex. If she never had the balls to say no, then how could these guys know she meant it? I think that's what she's getting at. She wasn't strong and couldn't claim rape because she didn't say anything before, either.
By ISBN, on September 2, 2008 12:48:43
I know for a fact there are a few people who frequent this site who think rape is funny and can be joked about. So, where are ya? I know you think this headline is also quite a gaff. . .
Enjoy your week, insensitive freaks.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 12:53:56
"You're saying that if a man is aroused because of my actions, because I wanted to arouse him, I am obligated to satisfy him? What a crock of shit! Many people hook up without having sex the first time."
you can satisfy a man without having sex too.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 13:04:30
I'd like to ask Dame Helen out on a date...
No 3rd strike for me!
By Hot Rob, on September 2, 2008 13:10:37
That's so funny. Because that's exactly how it happened when Vigilante and I hooked up. Except of course she was the one doing the raping . . .
By TheBig28, on September 2, 2008 13:34:58
Due to her surprisingly firm body and her acceptance of my preferred mating techniques, I think I've found my favorite actress.
By J-Bird, on September 2, 2008 13:46:42
There's no such thing as "date rape". You were either raped or you weren't. Some women toy with men then after things get going they passively utter a "no" that the guy doesn't think is serious and next thing you know she cries rape. If you really don't want it, SCREAM no and kick him in the nuts. If he does it anyway after that then it's rape.
By Just sayin', on September 2, 2008 14:54:34
Well Just Sayin' it looks like you have your rape trial defense all sewn up.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 15:05:43
There is another article on the Mail, I believe, by a woman who is complaining that the government is reducing money awarded to rape victims who are responsible for putting themselves into dangerous situations. This seems like common sense to me, perhaps Helen's response is to this as well.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 16:43:14
fucked. up. the comments, I mean. not her as much. bet you'd change your tune if you had daughters.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 17:22:17
Saying no should be sufficient. Only an asshole rapist needs to be screamed at or kicked in the nuts to get the point.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 20:33:26
No is no you fucking rapists.
By anonymous, on September 2, 2008 21:14:07
If you passively say "no" to an agressive sales person do they go away? Answer=NO! You have to be rude and tell them to fuck off or just leave that location. Same with men. Don't go to their home, take off your clothes, play with their penis then passively say no when he's almost done. That's ridiculous, women have to take some responsibility for themselves by not putting themselves in the situation. Men are basically shaved apes so you have to really make the message clear or their brains don't get it.
By She has a point, on September 3, 2008 00:57:05
To "She has a point:"
If you're a guy, that's scary. If you're a woman, maybe you just haven't met enough great guys. I just think more highly of men than "shaved apes." How about instead of ONLY women having to "take responsibility for themselves" MEN do, too. It's true that women should absolutely avoid getting themselves into stupid situations. However, it's also true that men shouldn't use the excuse that they can't help themselves once their penises are hard, or that they are too stupid to understand "no."
By ISBN, on September 3, 2008 07:26:49
Think I'm gonna save the Helen Mirren bikini pic to my uh, "Misc." file.
By anonymous, on September 3, 2008 07:44:34
"Enjoy your week, insensitive freaks."
I already have. Shit, not even Thursday...
By anonymous, on September 3, 2008 11:27:03
Whatever. I'm more focused on the fact that a senior has a better bikini body than I do. Time to hit the gym. Yikes.
By anonymous, on September 3, 2008 23:16:58
Helen simply stated that in her own experience she felt disempowered and sometimes regretful following her own passive response to unwanted intercourse with dates. She is neither advocating rape, nor, dismissing that it does indeed occur in a date setting. She makes logical sense in stating that BOTH parties should accept responsibility for their actions and negotiate the outcome with respect for one another's feelings. A firm NO should suffice, we're not animals and we DO have self-control.
By anonymous, on September 4, 2008 07:57:56
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