why do we encourage cultures that restrict women from expression? if their culture said a down syndrome baby would be thrown to wolves, would we respect that too? at what point do you say, we've progressed, catch up or fuck you?
it LOOKS like the person that wrote blog article really has no idea about aboriginal people an their traditions, learn some respect, how dare you comment on the news reporters FACTS with your own OPINION and somehow think you're any better? Read into the tradition and reasons behind it before you turn all feminist over it. good day.
@ 12: It LOOKS like you don't know how to read since the person who wrote the post is a GUY and he was JOKING. Get a sense of humor and go play in some mud.
Todd, you are too fucking hilarious!!! Your humor and people's lack of ability to get it never ceases to take the edge off of my boredom. So true about Crocodile Dundee being the extent of my knowledge of the aborigine. Truth be told, the best part of the movie is looking at that chick's big ass when the crocodile tries to eat her when she's got the old-school thong on. And I'm a woman writing this. I too would play a digeradoo. Nicole can do whatever she wants, is that what makes Tom Cruise so crazy?
Most Aboriginal societies are matriarchal. Each sex has traditions specific to their sex. It has nothing to do with disrespect for women, it has to do with tradition. And sure, people from other cultures should not be expected to know these things, but Australian natives should have some familiarity with indigenous traditions.
Most Aboriginal societies are matriarchal. Each sex has traditions specific to their sex. It has nothing to do with disrespect for women, it has to do with tradition. And sure, people from other cultures should not be expected to know these things, but Australian natives should have some familiarity with indigenous traditions.
#12 Respect is earned. Being from a different culture doesn't equate to automatic respect or acceptance. Go tell your professor I said this and ask him what next you should think. I'll wait.
Maybe Kidman was familiar with the tradition, and didn't care because it's not that big of a deal! People don't have a right not to be offended, at least not yet! What a bunch of gaping pussies we've all become.
She's not an Aborigine, so why should she be bound by their traditions? There's a trend to exalt native populations but I think it's ridiculous to do so.
#12- Because that's what a blog IS. Most blogs are made up of commentary about other things. I think you are confusing blogging with journalism and blog posts with newspaper articles. Did you seriously not know the difference? Geez, pick up a book once in awhile.
I would think most Australians are usually too drunk to notice such slights, but in her defence she was married to Tom Cruise, which should give her immunity. Next time she appears on TV she should just throw some shrimp on the barbie however.
She can play whatever instrument she wants. I'm not a Japanese Geisha girl, but I'll put on a Kimono and white face paint if I want. If it offends you that's your problem. She didn't say Aborigines were savages who should die or some other hateful things. She just played a didgeridoo ---- badly.
I'm proud of her for never joining that Scientology cult. It ended her marriage and ruined her relationship with her robot kids, but at least she's not a cult shill.
I must also vouch for our first Australian friends. It's not that traditional Indigenous Aussies are anti-ladies, it's just that there are some rules for women AND men when conducting certain ceremonial customs. It is everyones responsibility to observe these traditions, especially when in the public eye. Nicole was raised in Australia so would be firmiliar with the traditions of Aboriginal culture as we were all taught in school about it. It must have been a big 'whoopsies' mind slip. Big mistake, but I'm sure that nobody will hold it personally, it's just important she is made aware of her giant 'whoopsie'. LOL btw, we dont have wolves in Australia. dumb arse. Oh, and it should be noted that Aboriginal women are very much loved in all communities, especially their own. There are lots of customs in Aboriginal culture boys arent allowed to do either! Absolutely no 'fuck you's needed thank you. and just quietly, i dont think there is anything wrong with preserving and respecting the OLDEST human culture in the WORLD. Your ancestors were fucking thousands of years behind so fluff on you.
I think the news here is that NK was actually able to get enough movement into her horifically botoxed face to move her lips round the didgeridoo in the first place.
...preserving and respecting the OLDEST human culture in the WORLD. Your ancestors were fucking thousands of years behind so fluff on you. -- You're right. Our cultures actually evolved.
Some old cultures and tribes still believe in cutting off women's clitorises so they won't have orgasms and stoning them to death for any reason. Should we all "respect" that too, or is it different because the Aborigine tradition isn't as inhumane or as misogynistic?
If people want to observe a tradition it is their personal business. If people don't care to observe a tradition that is their right, too. The rights of one person end at another person's nose, as they say, so observing something like stoning or genital mutilation should not be allowed. But something as inane as playing a musical instrument is a petty thing to get riled up about.
On a related note, gender binarism is fucking ridiculous and we would all be a lot happier if we weren't so bunged up about that crap.
It isnt inhumane or misogynistic at all. Aboriginal ideals and beliefs are just as advanced as yours, only more so because they would respect your beliefs too because it's the right thing to do. and who's dictating anything? And are you really that primitive that you dont understand the difference between an object and a symbol? The Didge is symbol of a very old, very deeply spiritual culture. Are you really that horrible that you can't respect an entire cultures feelings towards their ancestors' culture? It is just as offensive as dancing on the graves of the dead. How hard is it just to be mindfull of other people? It's all everyone's right to act like a fuckstick, but is it polite and decent? No. Is it ok? No it is not.
#33, that is VERY civil of you and i like the way you approached your points. You seem very decent and i thank you (even if i dont agree 100%)
It is a very sensitive issue because its not just a musical instrument, it is an outlet of their spiritual beliefs... im trying to think of something to compare it to but im having a lot of trouble. Well it's kinda like a peace pipe i guess... where it's not an awesome cone piece, its a symbol of love and friendship and respect. It's not just a noise maker or an amusment, its a beautiful expression of a very old beautiful culture.
Lol i like the fact you also say 'nose'. Does Nicole even have hers anymore? Hard to say.
I think there are so many forms of gender binaries it is impossible to stamp out, and if you look at the issue on a biological scale, im not sure if complete gender neutrality (channelling a bit of Zapp Branigan there) is ideal. I like being a lady... There are lots of things and roles about/for ladies that i wouldnt want to get rid of... all the good things of course! Im sure males are the same. Even our brains work differently so really, why would we strive being the same? It'd just end up horrible for someone. We are equal in value, but just like the individual we are NOT the same! And that's kinda cool i think.
Who here has been to Australia? If they are so worried about women playing these things, they why dont they complain about all the hundreds of lil tourist shops in Sydney that sell didgeridoos to anyone. Including women.
You should see the abbo's sitting around Circlur Que all done up in their make up playing didgeridoos for change. Thats way more embarrassing.
Or watching them get on the train at Redfern all drunk. Most of them are drunks that dont contribute to society.
Maddie, be quiet. You have a high opinion of Aboriginal culture. Some KKK members have a high opinion of keeping our country "white only". Everyone has something that they consider "more important" than any other person's belief and conflict WILL occur from time to time. It's unavoidable. You know what the only counter is to that? A sense of humor and some perspective.
Now, go off and find one or the other, but stop trying to justify your moral outrage on an IDIOTIC BLOG related to POINTLESS GOSSIP.
You are interfering with my GOD-GIVEN, AMERICAN RIGHT to be DUMB!
Well said #39: "You know what the only counter is to that? A sense of humor and some perspective."
And, #38 makes a good point. I've been to Australia and have many "sacred" souveniers.
As for Maddie, expecting people to be aware of every cultural nuance is naive, excessive and unrealistic--it has nothing to do with consideration and more to do with indoctrination.
I farted today and it smelled like eggs. I like the way my egg-farts smell and I think you should too. It's my culture.
"Or watching them get on the train at Redfern all drunk. Most of them are drunks that dont contribute to society. "
Our Indians are like that. They are all on welfare and it's estimated that about 90 percent of the adults are alcoholics. What is it with indigenous cultures? Maybe there's a reason that they are dying out?
I learned about ancient tribes in my schools, but I'm not going to observe their rules and traditions. I'm not going to live naked in the woods and fuck my sister and create a human race from my rib after I talk to a snake and eat an apple either. Humans have evolved. If people like the Abdominalriginies and the Aussie schools haven't then that's on them.
"They are all on welfare and it's estimated that about 90 percent of the adults are alcoholics. What is it with indigenous cultures? Maybe there's a reason that they are dying out?"
I think it might have a little to do with the whole "they had their land taken from them" thing. That's just my guess, though.
I think it makes you barren to play the digeridoo, apparantly. But yeah I'm Australian and have never met an Aboriginal that was cool or contributed to society. They just pop up every now and then and act like the world owes them something. I mean fuck off!!
I'd love to know why this australian missed out on those Aboriginal tradition lessons- NOT everyone was taught them and everyone cant be expected to remember them. It's ridiculous. Funny how the supposed outrage over what Hugh did hasnt been reported, seems people just want to give Nicole a hard time. And yes she was born in Hawaii but to Australian parents (her father was just working there) so all American kids born at those bases in Germany are automatically German? Gimme a break.
I bought my mother, a music teacher, a didgeridoo because she likes including cultural musical instruments in her lessons. The aborigine who sold it to me did not tell me women aren't supposed to play it.
Indigenous cultures are always assumed to be perfect in every way - but actually we humans really have a lot in common especially when it comes to oppressing women. Whoever said playing the didge makes you barren - fuck you. Men have been saying that shit about whatever cool stuff they don't women to do. In our culture we used to have lots of things women weren't supposed to do: driving, voting, attending university - but that was wrong and we changed it.
Are we going to consider preserving the aborigine culture - even the unfair parts - more important than the rights of aborigine women?
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Leave Your CommentYes, but isn't there a rumour floating around out there that she was born with...erm...the best of both worlds?
So, if that's the case, isn't it technically OK that she plays with the big phallic thingamajiggie?
Just sayin'.
By Vigilante, on December 17, 2008 09:27:54
This is how she got into acting in the first place...blowing, cause she has very little talant.
By The Industry, on December 17, 2008 09:53:51
Can someone shoop that into a penis? kthxbai
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 10:28:33
She's taking a bong hit or is it a dong hit?
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 10:34:15
unless Allen Madden has his urethra slit open from the tip of his penus to its base (another aboriginal tradition)he should shut the fuck up
By you call that a knife, on December 17, 2008 10:41:45
Do aboriginies have televisions? How did they know this happened?
By Skippo, on December 17, 2008 11:03:57
I Hugh Jackoff trying to conceal a boner?
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 11:10:12
why do we encourage cultures that restrict women from expression? if their culture said a down syndrome baby would be thrown to wolves, would we respect that too? at what point do you say, we've progressed, catch up or fuck you?
By just sayin', on December 17, 2008 11:27:59
You'd think they'd be happy after making all that money from the Geico commercials.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 11:44:18
Nicole Kidman's ass is perfect. Plump & nicely round.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 11:46:36
I would bang her until my wang fell off.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 12:02:27
it LOOKS like the person that wrote blog article really has no idea about aboriginal people an their traditions, learn some respect, how dare you comment on the news reporters FACTS with your own OPINION and somehow think you're any better? Read into the tradition and reasons behind it before you turn all feminist over it. good day.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 13:29:16
#12 is a wanker
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 13:38:31
@ 12: It LOOKS like you don't know how to read since the person who wrote the post is a GUY and he was JOKING. Get a sense of humor and go play in some mud.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 13:41:41
Vigilante, doesn't work. If she had both sets she couldn't have had a baby.
As for the didgeridoo, I betcha the guy is just complaining because he wants some hawt young men to blow HIS "didgeridoo."
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 13:47:35
Todd, you are too fucking hilarious!!! Your humor and people's lack of ability to get it never ceases to take the edge off of my boredom. So true about Crocodile Dundee being the extent of my knowledge of the aborigine. Truth be told, the best part of the movie is looking at that chick's big ass when the crocodile tries to eat her when she's got the old-school thong on. And I'm a woman writing this. I too would play a digeradoo. Nicole can do whatever she wants, is that what makes Tom Cruise so crazy?
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 14:07:51
Most Aboriginal societies are matriarchal. Each sex has traditions specific to their sex. It has nothing to do with disrespect for women, it has to do with tradition. And sure, people from other cultures should not be expected to know these things, but Australian natives should have some familiarity with indigenous traditions.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 14:25:56
Most Aboriginal societies are matriarchal. Each sex has traditions specific to their sex. It has nothing to do with disrespect for women, it has to do with tradition. And sure, people from other cultures should not be expected to know these things, but Australian natives should have some familiarity with indigenous traditions.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 14:26:04
#12 Respect is earned. Being from a different culture doesn't equate to automatic respect or acceptance. Go tell your professor I said this and ask him what next you should think. I'll wait.
By Elles, on December 17, 2008 14:32:17
Maybe Kidman was familiar with the tradition, and didn't care because it's not that big of a deal! People don't have a right not to be offended, at least not yet! What a bunch of gaping pussies we've all become.
By Pussette, on December 17, 2008 14:34:51
She's not an Aborigine, so why should she be bound by their traditions? There's a trend to exalt native populations but I think it's ridiculous to do so.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 14:55:30
#12- Because that's what a blog IS. Most blogs are made up of commentary about other things. I think you are confusing blogging with journalism and blog posts with newspaper articles. Did you seriously not know the difference? Geez, pick up a book once in awhile.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 14:59:38
I would think most Australians are usually too drunk to notice such slights, but in her defence she was married to Tom Cruise, which should give her immunity. Next time she appears on TV she should just throw some shrimp on the barbie however.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:02:20
She can play whatever instrument she wants. I'm not a Japanese Geisha girl, but I'll put on a Kimono and white face paint if I want. If it offends you that's your problem. She didn't say Aborigines were savages who should die or some other hateful things. She just played a didgeridoo ---- badly.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:02:59
I'm proud of her for never joining that Scientology cult. It ended her marriage and ruined her relationship with her robot kids, but at least she's not a cult shill.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:08:04
14. Just because they said feminist doesn't mean woman, dipshit.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:10:42
15. You still didn't get the joke or the sarcasm, dipshit.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:11:47
I must also vouch for our first Australian friends. It's not that traditional Indigenous Aussies are anti-ladies, it's just that there are some rules for women AND men when conducting certain ceremonial customs. It is everyones responsibility to observe these traditions, especially when in the public eye. Nicole was raised in Australia so would be firmiliar with the traditions of Aboriginal culture as we were all taught in school about it. It must have been a big 'whoopsies' mind slip. Big mistake, but I'm sure that nobody will hold it personally, it's just important she is made aware of her giant 'whoopsie'.
LOL btw, we dont have wolves in Australia. dumb arse.
Oh, and it should be noted that Aboriginal women are very much loved in all communities, especially their own. There are lots of customs in Aboriginal culture boys arent allowed to do either! Absolutely no 'fuck you's needed thank you. and just quietly, i dont think there is anything wrong with preserving and respecting the OLDEST human culture in the WORLD. Your ancestors were fucking thousands of years behind so fluff on you.
By Maddie the Lovely, on December 17, 2008 15:14:55
I think the news here is that NK was actually able to get enough movement into her horifically botoxed face to move her lips round the didgeridoo in the first place.
By Lohantastic, on December 17, 2008 15:19:09
"It is everyones responsibility to observe these traditions"
No, it's really not. It's an Aborigine's responsibility. They have no right to dictate what all other people in the world can and can't do. Sorry.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:19:48
...preserving and respecting the OLDEST human culture in the WORLD. Your ancestors were fucking thousands of years behind so fluff on you. -- You're right. Our cultures actually evolved.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:28:08
Some old cultures and tribes still believe in cutting off women's clitorises so they won't have orgasms and stoning them to death for any reason. Should we all "respect" that too, or is it different because the Aborigine tradition isn't as inhumane or as misogynistic?
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 15:33:29
If people want to observe a tradition it is their personal business. If people don't care to observe a tradition that is their right, too. The rights of one person end at another person's nose, as they say, so observing something like stoning or genital mutilation should not be allowed. But something as inane as playing a musical instrument is a petty thing to get riled up about.
On a related note, gender binarism is fucking ridiculous and we would all be a lot happier if we weren't so bunged up about that crap.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 16:00:15
It isnt inhumane or misogynistic at all.
Aboriginal ideals and beliefs are just as advanced as yours, only more so because they would respect your beliefs too because it's the right thing to do.
and who's dictating anything? And are you really that primitive that you dont understand the difference between an object and a symbol? The Didge is symbol of a very old, very deeply spiritual culture. Are you really that horrible that you can't respect an entire cultures feelings towards their ancestors' culture? It is just as offensive as dancing on the graves of the dead.
How hard is it just to be mindfull of other people? It's all everyone's right to act like a fuckstick, but is it polite and decent? No. Is it ok? No it is not.
By Maddie, on December 17, 2008 16:00:38
#33, that is VERY civil of you and i like the way you approached your points. You seem very decent and i thank you (even if i dont agree 100%)
It is a very sensitive issue because its not just a musical instrument, it is an outlet of their spiritual beliefs... im trying to think of something to compare it to but im having a lot of trouble. Well it's kinda like a peace pipe i guess... where it's not an awesome cone piece, its a symbol of love and friendship and respect. It's not just a noise maker or an amusment, its a beautiful expression of a very old beautiful culture.
Lol i like the fact you also say 'nose'. Does Nicole even have hers anymore? Hard to say.
I think there are so many forms of gender binaries it is impossible to stamp out, and if you look at the issue on a biological scale, im not sure if complete gender neutrality (channelling a bit of Zapp Branigan there) is ideal. I like being a lady... There are lots of things and roles about/for ladies that i wouldnt want to get rid of... all the good things of course! Im sure males are the same. Even our brains work differently so really, why would we strive being the same? It'd just end up horrible for someone.
We are equal in value, but just like the individual we are NOT the same! And that's kinda cool i think.
By Maddie the Lovely, on December 17, 2008 16:32:15
Thank you! I'm so sick of all this PC bullshit.
By an Aussie, on December 17, 2008 17:05:18
"Nicole was raised in Australia so would be firmiliar with the traditions of Aboriginal culture as we were all taught in school about it"
Pfft! I was raised in Australia and would gladly let any Nicole Kidman wannabe blow MY didgeridoo!
By Sexist Damo, on December 17, 2008 17:07:02
Oh shut the fuck up Maddie.
Who here has been to Australia? If they are so worried about women playing these things, they why dont they complain about all the hundreds of lil tourist shops in Sydney that sell didgeridoos to anyone. Including women.
You should see the abbo's sitting around Circlur Que all done up in their make up playing didgeridoos for change. Thats way more embarrassing.
Or watching them get on the train at Redfern all drunk. Most of them are drunks that dont contribute to society.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 17:16:56
Maddie, be quiet. You have a high opinion of Aboriginal culture. Some KKK members have a high opinion of keeping our country "white only". Everyone has something that they consider "more important" than any other person's belief and conflict WILL occur from time to time. It's unavoidable. You know what the only counter is to that? A sense of humor and some perspective.
Now, go off and find one or the other, but stop trying to justify your moral outrage on an IDIOTIC BLOG related to POINTLESS GOSSIP.
You are interfering with my GOD-GIVEN, AMERICAN RIGHT to be DUMB!
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 17:49:24
27...learn how to number douchebag
By Kyle, on December 17, 2008 19:28:30
Emo tradition. This is stupid.
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 20:21:45
Well said #39: "You know what the only counter is to that? A sense of humor and some perspective."
And, #38 makes a good point. I've been to Australia and have many "sacred" souveniers.
As for Maddie, expecting people to be aware of every cultural nuance is naive, excessive and unrealistic--it has nothing to do with consideration and more to do with indoctrination.
I farted today and it smelled like eggs. I like the way my egg-farts smell and I think you should too. It's my culture.
By Feggman, on December 17, 2008 20:51:56
eh, souvenir
By Feggman, on December 17, 2008 21:05:11
"Or watching them get on the train at Redfern all drunk. Most of them are drunks that dont contribute to society. "
Our Indians are like that. They are all on welfare and it's estimated that about 90 percent of the adults are alcoholics. What is it with indigenous cultures? Maybe there's a reason that they are dying out?
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 21:18:13
Do the men, who play the donkey flute, even have a TV? Who the f*&k bought them the damn TV? And how the heck did they get german channel on it?
By the way I am very impressed. Nicole can blow really good...
By anonymous, on December 17, 2008 22:59:54
#17 - Kidman isn't an Australian native. She was born in Hawaii, and moved to Australia later on.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 00:55:34
Ok, let's make a deal. We women will not play the digeridoo if all the Abos stop huffing petrol and raping their babies.
Deal?
By sheila, on December 18, 2008 01:15:41
"Look, the reason why Nicole Kidman played this thing is because nobody knows Aborigine customs and they don't really care"
At school in Australia you are taught about Aborigne customs as part of a history course.get a fucking clue.Jeez.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 02:07:59
I learned about ancient tribes in my schools, but I'm not going to observe their rules and traditions. I'm not going to live naked in the woods and fuck my sister and create a human race from my rib after I talk to a snake and eat an apple either. Humans have evolved. If people like the Abdominalriginies and the Aussie schools haven't then that's on them.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 02:16:46
"I'm not going to live naked in the woods and fuck my sister"
So, you're saying you don't live in the south?
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 10:25:00
"They are all on welfare and it's estimated that about 90 percent of the adults are alcoholics. What is it with indigenous cultures? Maybe there's a reason that they are dying out?"
I think it might have a little to do with the whole "they had their land taken from them" thing. That's just my guess, though.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 10:26:18
I think it makes you barren to play the digeridoo, apparantly. But yeah I'm Australian and have never met an Aboriginal that was cool or contributed to society. They just pop up every now and then and act like the world owes them something. I mean fuck off!!
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 11:43:34
I'd love to know why this australian missed out on those Aboriginal tradition lessons- NOT everyone was taught them and everyone cant be expected to remember them. It's ridiculous. Funny how the supposed outrage over what Hugh did hasnt been reported, seems people just want to give Nicole a hard time.
And yes she was born in Hawaii but to Australian parents (her father was just working there) so all American kids born at those bases in Germany are automatically German? Gimme a break.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 14:01:58
#51
Every culture has had "their land taken from them." Those more evolved conquered those that weren't. It's not fair, but neither is life.
___________________
"I think it might have a little to do with the whole "they had their land taken from them" thing. That's just my guess, though.
By Biff, on December 18, 2008 20:13:47
"I think it might have a little to do with the whole "they had their land taken from them" thing. That's just my guess, though."
Been watching Pocahontas much? They had it taken because they had no culture to keep it together. They still don't.
By anonymous, on December 18, 2008 20:51:47
I bought my mother, a music teacher, a didgeridoo because she likes including cultural musical instruments in her lessons. The aborigine who sold it to me did not tell me women aren't supposed to play it.
Indigenous cultures are always assumed to be perfect in every way - but actually we humans really have a lot in common especially when it comes to oppressing women. Whoever said playing the didge makes you barren - fuck you. Men have been saying that shit about whatever cool stuff they don't women to do. In our culture we used to have lots of things women weren't supposed to do: driving, voting, attending university - but that was wrong and we changed it.
Are we going to consider preserving the aborigine culture - even the unfair parts - more important than the rights of aborigine women?
By anonymous, on December 21, 2008 10:46:26
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