Although I think Levi is a total dirtbag, I do agree with you Todd that men do tend to be treated unfairly with regards to child support and custody issues. And I also believe that men should be able to give up all rights to the child if they wish and not have to pay any support.
According to a 2005 U.S. Census Bureau report, the median child support payment in the U.S. is $280 a month. The average child support payment is a little higher - $350 a month.
I imagine things MUST have changed since 2005. $2000 a month doesn't seem like a lot to me. There's dr bills, food, clothes that they grow out of super fast, diapers, MORE diapers, saving for school....hmm. I guess that's about it for a kid. Maybe it is a bit much per month. But that figure from 2005--$350 a month?! That's ridiculous. I think here on the coasts we forget how different the rest of the country may be.
And, #4, the average income for an American is $32,140 -- or $2,678.33 -- before taxes are taken out. Which really means that the average person makes $2,143 a month (and even less once you subtract rent and utilities). That $350 is still 16 percent of income, a chunk of change considering the need to still get to work, buy groceries and save for retirement.
Listen, if a man doesn't wear rubbers (and doesn't make sure she's on the pill) and gets her pregnant, he should pay the child support. But $1,700 a month when the sources of income are rather unstable? Ridiculous. Besides, the kid can live off of less money per month; most children in this country do. And, in the case of the Palin-Levi crew, the former clearly has greater sources of wealth from which to tap than your average child support petitioners.
Just because you didn't make this idiot pull out, doesn't mean he has to live under a bridge so you can mark things off your Charlotte Russe wishlist.
Uh, yes, it does. The amount of support is decided by a judge, but the law is crystal-clear in all 50 states: child support payments are mandatory, until the child reaches 18 at minimum. Even if visitation rights are being violated, the payments must continue, under the law. Got no money? Go to the judge and prove it, and you might get a temporary suspension, but as soon as that first paycheck from Walmart goes through, the law will find you.
Todd, you do a disservice spreading what I know is your idea of humor, but to the dimmer bulbs among us, might be construed differently. Next all the deadbeat-dads of the future who read your blog will find themselves without their driver's licenses--one of the all-time STUPIDEST government laws, since it's pretty tough to earn a living so's you can pay your child support if you got no way to get to work. If you drive anyway, and get busted, you go to jail. Getting your license back after you pay up is like being trapped in an illogical video game with a drooling cyclops at every turn, sending you deeper into a labyrinth filled with giant insects who are always on lunch break.
Oh, and count on having your car repo-ed without warning and auctioned the next day, before you even figure out who "stole" it. That money gets handed over to the mother of your child. If it isn't enough to cover the debt, the cops return to your house and make off with whatever else you have in the yard.
If you haven't been allowed to see Little Junior even though it's a violation of the custody agreement, and the mother sends you anthrax in the mail and sets your petunias on fire and has a different scumbag over for dinner and fucking every night and gets a tattoo of Dane Cook put on the kid's face, you can complain to the cops and CPS and see how far you get…
But you STILL have to pay child support. All of it. Don't confuse "isn't fair" or "shouldn't have to" with IS THE LAW and HAVE TO.
@12 "but as soon as that first paycheck from Walmart goes through, the law will find you."
No they won't. Most case workers have a backlog of cases, making it months or years before they find one of these assholes; by that time they could have been fired/quit or moved on to a new job making it months before the caseworker gets to updating the information.
Not to mention the fact that cases switch between caseworkers all the time, and since there's little to no communication between workers, the newly assigned worker will start off at square one.
If the pussy is really worth it go to Planned Parenthood and get free rubbers, especially if you don't see it going beyond a couple of screws.
I agree on the "law is the law" comment, but I think what Todd is getting at is the fact that there are women out there getting child support and none of it is being spent on the kids. I can't tell you how many females I've seen pull that cash out of their wallet every month at the nail place or hair salon (and we can't forget about that new Blackberry she just HAD to have), but when Junior needs a pack of diapers they're running to someone asking for a loan. I think that if you're gonna play, you gotta pay, but that goes for BOTH parents. And I also think that it's the gold-diggers in the child support office that are the reason why some men don't pay (a lot of them don't because they're jackasses, but that's another discussion). But even if the mom is using the funds for herself, the guy still has to pay. The only thing I can say is that there ought to be some sort of regulation or law that requires proof that the amount of child support received monthly was in fact spent on the child. If not, the amount gets reduced until Mommie Dearest realizes that the $400 check she gets every month is for onesies and crib sheets, not shoes at a Payless BOGO sale and the new Li'l Wayne CD.
I knocked some dishrag whore up 5 years ago. Since I earn a good living she wasted no time petitioning me for "child support". At the first hearing, I denied paternity and was told what I would have to pay was on a "sliding scale" based upon what I earned (over $1200 a month). So just because I make good coin I have to pay more than Joe ditch digger? Shouldn't it cost a set amount to raise a kid whether or not his father is a gas station attendant or an NBA player? Why should these ho's hit the lottery just because they took a load from a rich guy. So anyways right after the DNA teat came back I sold my house, emptied my bank accounts and moved to the Florida Keys and work off the books for my cousin making more then I did back home. Good luck with what you thought was your big payday bitch.
1. Both parents chose to have sex without protection.
2. Only the woman can choose whether or not she wants to have the baby.
3. Therefore, if the man would rather not, he doesn't have a choice, and he has to pay.
4. If the woman would rather not have a baby, but the man WANTS the baby, he doesn't get to have it. She can abort it, and he barely even gets to grieve. Hell, he doesn't even have to KNOW.
So...two adults are equally responsible for this life. But only one adult gets to decide if it comes to fruition.
THAT is unfair, if you ask me.
And I am a pro-choice woman. I GET it that we're the ones who go through 9 pregnant months, and actually give birth. I do. But that's the kind of thing both adults need to consider before going bareback. (just as MEN currently need to consider mandatory child support). I just think we'd have a lot fewer unwanted babies or babies that parents can't afford, if both parents had a say. We'd also have a lot more babies whose daddies WERE around because they were wanted.
...and a lot less people complaining either way about a lack of child support.
#20...is that a joke? You seem somehow proud. Of what, exactly? Being able to refer to someone you CHOSE to have sex with as a "dishrag whore?" Or skipping out when it turned out maybe she wasn't such a whore since you WERE the father? Well, no more than YOU were anyway.
You sound like you think pretty lowly of this chick. But you have NO problem leaving a child to be raised by her, to inherit her values...what does that say about you? That kid is YOURS. Congrats to increasing the generation of fatherless children in our country.
I think what #20 was getting at was that it's the system that makes guys take off or be "deadbeats". Why should she hit the lottery because she get preg by him and not some min. wage dude? I might take off too in that situation if I had assets to protect.
"But you STILL have to pay child support. All of it. Don't confuse "isn't fair" or "shouldn't have to" with IS THE LAW and HAVE TO.
Now let's all go buy lots of condoms, shall we?"
That you don't corral yourself within the "dimmer-bulbs" category is undoubtedly the biggest "disservice" being done here. Yes, the law states child support must be paid by the father. The law makes many mandates. Fortunately, a few constituents of rational thought--namely retroactive evaluation and amendment--allow for laws to be adjusted as our understanding of the world grows more sophisticated, or as a society's needs change.
Consider the following scenario: Two 18-year-old "adults" have casual sex at a party (I place quotation marks around the word "adults" because while THE LAW may deem individuals of said age as such, I certainly do not; would you?). The man and woman met for the first time two hours prior to intercourse, exchanging, say, a total of 500 remarks between them during the course of their dialogue preceding the event. Pregnancy amounts from the sex, even though a condom was used (the condom only ensuring a 90-95% greater likelihood of preventing pregnancy in light of all other variable factors including, but not limited to the woman's phase in her ovulation cycle, style of intercourse, etc.). Upon learning of her pregnancy some days later, the woman decides that, on account of her moral and religious beliefs, that she will keep the child. The man, having heard of his casual sex partner's pregnancy, respects the woman's right to decide whether or not to continue bearing the child, but is not interested in continuing a relationship with the mother-to-be. The reason for this isn't necessarily important, but for the purposes of hypothesis can be explained as subjective interpersonal incompatibility, as well as having no interest in being a father. The situation exists as such.
What would the law say? It would declare that, as the genetic progenitor, the 18-year-old man MUST provide financial support to his genetic bearer, regardless of his appreciation of the situation. Because of a consequence *FAR BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE INDIVIDUAL,* having taken every preventative step plausible to prevent the situation as it stands, the man will continue to be hindered financially for the next 18 years due to a decision that was not his and a responsibility, in my eyes, that SHOULD NOT BE EITHER.
If you can honestly assert that the man should deserve that fate, EVEN IF he took steps to prevent the POSSIBILITY of a mistaken pregnancy happening in the pursuit only of enjoyable sex, you are indeed quite the illogical individual. Oh, but THE LAW says he has to pay! You know, if we still abided by every statute the judicial system every conceived this country would become an even more lamentable place than it is now. I pray one of your regrettable fucks never gets knocked up, because even though your intellect doesn't allow for the empathy and imagination necessary to confer how fatuous and ethically pedestrian such a law really is, to have the ordinance upheld ONLY for the purpose of perhaps having you befall the same fortune you compunctionlessly assign to others isn't worth the plight innocent men will undoubtedly face before that might happen.
Guys, re-read 12. Think about it, because 12 is telling you how it is unless you wanna go renegade and drop off the grid like Mr. Florida Keys above.
Don't f-ck without KNOWING that contraception is involved. And you can only control a rubber. She may say she is on the pill etc., but you have no clue. Rubbers. Use em or face 18 years of baby mama buying her latest boyfriend's beer with your money.
Is there some reason that the little whore can't go out and get a job? Her whorish mother rakes in the bucks, let her pay the bills for her little mistake. Fuck all golddiggers AND their little shit stain brats.
Who cares about these Eskimos of hillbilly extraction? All I know is Bristol has huge knockers! She can make good money showing them off. While the trailer trash dirtbag she chose to fuck works on his GED (hes been trying to get it for two years now? lol), Bristol can live the high life off her tits!
No, there is no "set amount" it costs to raise a child. People with more means should hopefully take better care of their children. In NY it's 17% for one child and goes up to a max of 35% for like 5 or more kids. Both parents are expected to contribute. Dad's measly 17% isn't going to buy a kid everything he needs in a month. Child support isn't *just* for diapers and clothing, it's for housing, (and all the things that go into housing heat, electric, hot water, etc.) education, clothes, food, education, all that crap. Grow the fuck up men, take care of your kids, and quit bitching about it.
There should be a burdon on women to file a an annual report that sets out exactly what the expenses are. If a judge thinks the expenses are reasonable, an order is entered and both parties pay half.
That's the only fair way to do it. Too bad it'll never happen and men will continue to be forced to pay more than what is required.
I never meant to be so bad to you One thing I said that I would never do A look from you and I would fall from grace And that would wipe the smile right from my face
Do you remember when we used to dance And incidents arose from circumstance One thing led to another we were young And we would scream together songs unsung
It was the heat of the moment Telling me what my heart meant The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
And now you find yourself in '82 The disco hot spots hold no charm for you You can concern yourself with bigger things You catch a pearl and ride the dragon's wings
'Cause it's the heat of the moment The heat of the moment The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
And when your looks are gone and you're alone How many nights you sit beside the phone What were the things you wanted for yourself Teenage ambitions you remember well
It was the heat of the moment Telling me what your heart meant The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
It was the heat of the moment The heat of the moment The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
The guy made a baby and shouldn't be required to support it?
I don't understand the complaint with him having to contribute to his own child based upon his income. It's always a percentage so people bringing up the "average" support payment are just clouding the issue.
We need a Maury Povich Law...if you are so fucken stupid that you have to go on a talk show for help to find yo babiez daddy,then u get NO SUPPORT an ur tubes tied live on the air!!!!!!!!!!!!
All us guys have the final say on whether we pay child suppport or not- by not impregnating a woman to start with. Unless some women rapes you or steals your sperm, you share responsibility. Therefore you owe.
Same for alimony. No one forces you to get married. When you do that, you bring your own doom upon yourself(or not).
Levi needs to ask for a paternity test for Tripp. Maybe he can get a two-for-one. Who's Trig's daddy? And while we're asking, who's his mommy? 'Cause it sure aint Sarah.
I can't believe that dumb ass McCain brought these retards out of the woodwork just to get the Hilary votes. Now every time they fart they are in the fucking news. The whole fucked up family needs to die in a plane crash.
My ex wife and I both make 6 figures. We had 2 kids together. She pays me $600/mo. Levi paying that much is absurd. For the most part, the law is as fair a system as you're going to get, though and those who don't pay are worthless excuses for humans (I'm talking to you, #20).
In most states, you as a dude can go to court and sign away/terminate your rights to the child thus limiting your financial obligations to said offspring.
Of course if you're a media man whore whos only claim to fame is not pulling out in time, then you might not want to do this since it would really make you look like a real jack ass in the long term.
If you're just looking to stay on your mothers couch watching Snorks reruns it's a good call.
Levi is a man whore and deserves to financially support his child. All his fame (money) is because of the Palin family. Alaska child support is based on a % of earnings. He is getting off cheap.
Let me get this straight: Sarah Palin got crucified b/c her daughter got preg On the other hand John Edwards got his g/f preg while his DYING wife Was campaigning for him... AND he paid his g/f from donated $$ AND he got a staffer to lie and take the fall AND he lied to American public about it AND he is going to raise kid on OUR tax $$ And no one's saying shit about him
Wow Double standard, anyone? P.S. For all you people bitching about child support What about forcing Mom to give up TIME the same way? Dads who see their kids pay support - Fact So be JUST as hard on Moms who deny time As on Dads who don't pay P.P.S. Lawyers are looking at Edwards and saying "That prick gives us a bad name."
#52 is 100% incorrect In fact, in most states (maybe all), a guy who signs An agreement to pay support and exercise no visit May find that "the kids" - thru Mom - can, years Later, demand their child support (since they Didn't agree to give it up) BUT - since Dad Hasntseen the kids for years - it's "not in their best interest to have regular visitation." so NO dads cannot "give up their rights" (Click my name for moire info)
I am a female speaking in defense of men that are treated unfairly regarding child support.
If we females want equality, this should fall under that premise also.
If a female chooses to have her baby, she should also be accountable for her part equally financially raising the child. There should be a legal document on this particular point.
Many women have children as a way of income.
Sadly, this situation will never change and we females appear to never learn the basics.
As for the guys, there are good ones and bad ones just as there are females. However, it does appear that the male species is treated unfairly often in divorce and child support issues.
The lesson is - GUYS - make better decisions who you sleep with and ask yourself is it worth all that may come from this moment in your life?
I like my fellow females but I tend to like guys better. If only - the majority of them realized and were educated about the motives of quite a few females.
Im a single father who's been raising his 9yr old daughter for the last 8 yrs alone without a cent in child support from her deadbeat mother..Fuck all you bitches who think your the only ones entitled to child support an fuck all of you who think its just you bitches that step up an raise kids alone...
The post by Todd is un fair. Woman that live on their child Woman who live off child support are a small % and most of the time the baby daddy would have seen this if they took time to think before they put it in her but after all it was the big fake tits, fake tan and nails and hooker look that mad you want to f$$$ in the 1st place don't be mad now that you have to pay for it. Think twice or wrap it up. A good woman and mother uses all support to better the life of her child and works hard to pay for her baby ( 4 times more $ or more than the support payment).
I don't get why it is so hard for guys to use a fucking condom. I may be drunk as fuck on Friday & Saturday nights but before I stumble around to plunge my cock into a drunk ass girl I picked up from the club, I make sure to put a condom on.
I have no comment on Child Support payment amount or how much it should cost but the fact is that if you're fucking dumb enough not to use a condom or birth control pill or spermicide & so on. You should pay for child support until the kid is 18.
Let someone write a "book" for her and sell it like Mommy did. Or get a job. It's all too funny. "I rode Levi like a pommel horse, but kids, don't YOU try this at home!".
For 99% of the comments here the issue is not that men should support their kids, it's how much is resonable, equitable between both parents and truly used for the chid's wellbeing. I think a lot of immoral lawyers and press-frightnened PC judges have turned this complex, subjective debate into a simple "fuck 'em if he has a penis" exercise.
As someone who spent most of their childhood living in poverty because of a deadbeat dad who skipped out on a measly $200/month, I really don't appreciate these comments. Regardless of what you think of the parents' choices, it's the child who suffers. And it's not that easy for a teenage mother with no education to find a job that can support themselves and a child. The cost of daycare alone rules out any of the min. wage options.
My parents had myself and my brother. Shortly thereafter my dad took off to escape child support. He had 2 kids and couldn't even handle a 50/month payment. Some of these comments make me sick. Oh so because the woman got pregnant its her fault and responsibility? Thats the problem in this country, nobody ever takes responsibility and its always someone else's fault. My mom busted her ass to raise my brother and I with no help from my dead-beat dad. If you are stupid enough to have sex without a condom then you have to suffer the consequences. Raising a child is not easy and it sure as hell isn't cheap. Why is up to the mother to do everything but the guy gets a free ride? My step-father had custody of all three of his kids when my mom married him. He took responsibility, why shouldn't that ass Levi take responsibility as well?
You people are absolute idiots. Child support is based on the father's income. Period. It would be stupid and irresponsible of her to NOT file for child support.
I'm with #1 - won't waste my time with this adolescent site ever again.
Why is the use of birth control limited to men? Don't women have options? The pill, IUDs, etc. It's time women were held accountable. Not everything is a man's fault.
Wow. Bottom line, there is no excuse in this day and age for not wearing a condom. None. If you play, be prepared to pay your portion for 18 years. No, one parent should not be solely responsible for paying for raising a child, but i would assume that it's far more difficult to work full-time as the parent with 100% custody of that child - someone has to care for them during the day, at least until they reach school age - therefore, it's going to cost someone more. Probably the one who is able to work. Not to mention that the cost of living in Alaska ain't cheap. If daddy and mommy can afford to live comfortably, why should the child they carelessly made live in poverty?
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By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 05:46:39
Although I think Levi is a total dirtbag, I do agree with you Todd that men do tend to be treated unfairly with regards to child support and custody issues. And I also believe that men should be able to give up all rights to the child if they wish and not have to pay any support.
By Em, on January 22, 2010 05:55:28
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 06:05:09
According to a 2005 U.S. Census Bureau report, the median child support payment in the U.S. is $280 a month. The average child support payment is a little higher - $350 a month.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 06:21:34
I imagine things MUST have changed since 2005. $2000 a month doesn't seem like a lot to me. There's dr bills, food, clothes that they grow out of super fast, diapers, MORE diapers, saving for school....hmm. I guess that's about it for a kid. Maybe it is a bit much per month. But that figure from 2005--$350 a month?! That's ridiculous. I think here on the coasts we forget how different the rest of the country may be.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 06:40:11
careful... I thought you libs were compassionate. Don't want to start sounding like a conservative do you?
By Jen, on January 22, 2010 06:45:28
And, #4, the average income for an American is $32,140 -- or $2,678.33 -- before taxes are taken out. Which really means that the average person makes $2,143 a month (and even less once you subtract rent and utilities). That $350 is still 16 percent of income, a chunk of change considering the need to still get to work, buy groceries and save for retirement.
Listen, if a man doesn't wear rubbers (and doesn't make sure she's on the pill) and gets her pregnant, he should pay the child support. But $1,700 a month when the sources of income are rather unstable? Ridiculous. Besides, the kid can live off of less money per month; most children in this country do. And, in the case of the Palin-Levi crew, the former clearly has greater sources of wealth from which to tap than your average child support petitioners.
By Sevenmack, on January 22, 2010 06:48:03
Loser and deadbeat trash.
Poor Bristol will regret the mistake of her youth forever.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 06:49:18
Hey # 1, eat shit!. Oh that's right you won't be reading this!!!
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 06:51:57
I'm no liberal but this woman is a fucking embarrassment. Obimbo ain't much better.
What I wouldn't give for someone with Dick Nixon's brain right now.
By Carl Bernstein's former rent boy, on January 22, 2010 06:56:00
"Levi Johnston's manager, Tank Jones"
his what?
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 07:01:28
Just because you didn't make this idiot pull out, doesn't mean he has to live under a bridge so you can mark things off your Charlotte Russe wishlist.
Uh, yes, it does. The amount of support is decided by a judge, but the law is crystal-clear in all 50 states: child support payments are mandatory, until the child reaches 18 at minimum. Even if visitation rights are being violated, the payments must continue, under the law. Got no money? Go to the judge and prove it, and you might get a temporary suspension, but as soon as that first paycheck from Walmart goes through, the law will find you.
Todd, you do a disservice spreading what I know is your idea of humor, but to the dimmer bulbs among us, might be construed differently. Next all the deadbeat-dads of the future who read your blog will find themselves without their driver's licenses--one of the all-time STUPIDEST government laws, since it's pretty tough to earn a living so's you can pay your child support if you got no way to get to work. If you drive anyway, and get busted, you go to jail. Getting your license back after you pay up is like being trapped in an illogical video game with a drooling cyclops at every turn, sending you deeper into a labyrinth filled with giant insects who are always on lunch break.
Oh, and count on having your car repo-ed without warning and auctioned the next day, before you even figure out who "stole" it. That money gets handed over to the mother of your child. If it isn't enough to cover the debt, the cops return to your house and make off with whatever else you have in the yard.
If you haven't been allowed to see Little Junior even though it's a violation of the custody agreement, and the mother sends you anthrax in the mail and sets your petunias on fire and has a different scumbag over for dinner and fucking every night and gets a tattoo of Dane Cook put on the kid's face, you can complain to the cops and CPS and see how far you get…
But you STILL have to pay child support. All of it. Don't confuse "isn't fair" or "shouldn't have to" with IS THE LAW and HAVE TO.
Now let's all go buy lots of condoms, shall we?
By Protect Thy Peen, on January 22, 2010 07:08:08
There has to be more news than this....didn't someone's tit fall out lately????
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 07:13:28
Bristol sweetie, nobody forced you to spread them. What--you never heard of contraceptives?
If anything, you bring to mind that old adage, 'Stupid is, what stupid does'.
By Your guidance counselor, on January 22, 2010 07:22:53
@12
"but as soon as that first paycheck from Walmart goes through, the law will find you."
No they won't. Most case workers have a backlog of cases, making it months or years before they find one of these assholes; by that time they could have been fired/quit or moved on to a new job making it months before the caseworker gets to updating the information.
Not to mention the fact that cases switch between caseworkers all the time, and since there's little to no communication between workers, the newly assigned worker will start off at square one.
If the pussy is really worth it go to Planned Parenthood and get free rubbers, especially if you don't see it going beyond a couple of screws.
By Chevy Chase, on January 22, 2010 07:45:32
#12 obviously lives on child support payments from her 18 baby daddies.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 07:45:33
#12
I agree on the "law is the law" comment, but I think what Todd is getting at is the fact that there are women out there getting child support and none of it is being spent on the kids. I can't tell you how many females I've seen pull that cash out of their wallet every month at the nail place or hair salon (and we can't forget about that new Blackberry she just HAD to have), but when Junior needs a pack of diapers they're running to someone asking for a loan. I think that if you're gonna play, you gotta pay, but that goes for BOTH parents. And I also think that it's the gold-diggers in the child support office that are the reason why some men don't pay (a lot of them don't because they're jackasses, but that's another discussion). But even if the mom is using the funds for herself, the guy still has to pay. The only thing I can say is that there ought to be some sort of regulation or law that requires proof that the amount of child support received monthly was in fact spent on the child. If not, the amount gets reduced until Mommie Dearest realizes that the $400 check she gets every month is for onesies and crib sheets, not shoes at a Payless BOGO sale and the new Li'l Wayne CD.
By JJM, on January 22, 2010 07:46:41
Bristol sweetie, nobody forced you to spread them. What--you never heard of contraceptives?
Of course not! Her mother was the "abstinence-only sex education" governor, remember?
If they told their kids about contraceptives, my goodness, that might encourage them to have sex! (As if teenagers need encouragement.)
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 07:49:08
More than anything else in life I want to knock up #12.
By The Tick, on January 22, 2010 07:59:28
I knocked some dishrag whore up 5 years ago. Since I earn a good living she wasted no time petitioning me for "child support". At the first hearing, I denied paternity and was told what I would have to pay was on a "sliding scale" based upon what I earned (over $1200 a month). So just because I make good coin I have to pay more than Joe ditch digger? Shouldn't it cost a set amount to raise a kid whether or not his father is a gas station attendant or an NBA player? Why should these ho's hit the lottery just because they took a load from a rich guy. So anyways right after the DNA teat came back I sold my house, emptied my bank accounts and moved to the Florida Keys and work off the books for my cousin making more then I did back home. Good luck with what you thought was your big payday bitch.
By Outdadoor, on January 22, 2010 08:22:58
Here's what I don't get about child support:
1. Both parents chose to have sex without protection.
2. Only the woman can choose whether or not she wants to have the baby.
3. Therefore, if the man would rather not, he doesn't have a choice, and he has to pay.
4. If the woman would rather not have a baby, but the man WANTS the baby, he doesn't get to have it. She can abort it, and he barely even gets to grieve. Hell, he doesn't even have to KNOW.
So...two adults are equally responsible for this life. But only one adult gets to decide if it comes to fruition.
THAT is unfair, if you ask me.
And I am a pro-choice woman. I GET it that we're the ones who go through 9 pregnant months, and actually give birth. I do. But that's the kind of thing both adults need to consider before going bareback. (just as MEN currently need to consider mandatory child support). I just think we'd have a lot fewer unwanted babies or babies that parents can't afford, if both parents had a say. We'd also have a lot more babies whose daddies WERE around because they were wanted.
...and a lot less people complaining either way about a lack of child support.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 08:36:25
#20...is that a joke? You seem somehow proud. Of what, exactly? Being able to refer to someone you CHOSE to have sex with as a "dishrag whore?" Or skipping out when it turned out maybe she wasn't such a whore since you WERE the father? Well, no more than YOU were anyway.
You sound like you think pretty lowly of this chick. But you have NO problem leaving a child to be raised by her, to inherit her values...what does that say about you? That kid is YOURS. Congrats to increasing the generation of fatherless children in our country.
You um, really showed her??
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 08:46:14
Yes #20, the world is full of bastard children...as well as bastards that fathered them.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 09:06:43
bitch should have never gotten pregnant and guy should have wore a condom. both of them fucked up. fuck em both.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 09:22:05
I think what #20 was getting at was that it's the system that makes guys take off or be "deadbeats". Why should she hit the lottery because she get preg by him and not some min. wage dude? I might take off too in that situation if I had assets to protect.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 09:38:55
"But you STILL have to pay child support. All of it. Don't confuse "isn't fair" or "shouldn't have to" with IS THE LAW and HAVE TO.
Now let's all go buy lots of condoms, shall we?"
That you don't corral yourself within the "dimmer-bulbs" category is undoubtedly the biggest "disservice" being done here. Yes, the law states child support must be paid by the father. The law makes many mandates. Fortunately, a few constituents of rational thought--namely retroactive evaluation and amendment--allow for laws to be adjusted as our understanding of the world grows more sophisticated, or as a society's needs change.
Consider the following scenario: Two 18-year-old "adults" have casual sex at a party (I place quotation marks around the word "adults" because while THE LAW may deem individuals of said age as such, I certainly do not; would you?). The man and woman met for the first time two hours prior to intercourse, exchanging, say, a total of 500 remarks between them during the course of their dialogue preceding the event. Pregnancy amounts from the sex, even though a condom was used (the condom only ensuring a 90-95% greater likelihood of preventing pregnancy in light of all other variable factors including, but not limited to the woman's phase in her ovulation cycle, style of intercourse, etc.). Upon learning of her pregnancy some days later, the woman decides that, on account of her moral and religious beliefs, that she will keep the child. The man, having heard of his casual sex partner's pregnancy, respects the woman's right to decide whether or not to continue bearing the child, but is not interested in continuing a relationship with the mother-to-be. The reason for this isn't necessarily important, but for the purposes of hypothesis can be explained as subjective interpersonal incompatibility, as well as having no interest in being a father. The situation exists as such.
What would the law say? It would declare that, as the genetic progenitor, the 18-year-old man MUST provide financial support to his genetic bearer, regardless of his appreciation of the situation. Because of a consequence *FAR BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE INDIVIDUAL,* having taken every preventative step plausible to prevent the situation as it stands, the man will continue to be hindered financially for the next 18 years due to a decision that was not his and a responsibility, in my eyes, that SHOULD NOT BE EITHER.
If you can honestly assert that the man should deserve that fate, EVEN IF he took steps to prevent the POSSIBILITY of a mistaken pregnancy happening in the pursuit only of enjoyable sex, you are indeed quite the illogical individual. Oh, but THE LAW says he has to pay! You know, if we still abided by every statute the judicial system every conceived this country would become an even more lamentable place than it is now. I pray one of your regrettable fucks never gets knocked up, because even though your intellect doesn't allow for the empathy and imagination necessary to confer how fatuous and ethically pedestrian such a law really is, to have the ordinance upheld ONLY for the purpose of perhaps having you befall the same fortune you compunctionlessly assign to others isn't worth the plight innocent men will undoubtedly face before that might happen.
Sincerely,
D. Novins, M.D.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 09:41:49
Booty shorts? I'm no Palin fan but your reaching here dude! Look like everday gym shorts to me!
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 09:43:26
If she wants all this money she should have gotten knocked up by a richer dude. end of story.
By P.C., on January 22, 2010 09:49:15
Guys, re-read 12. Think about it, because 12 is telling you how it is unless you wanna go renegade and drop off the grid like Mr. Florida Keys above.
Don't f-ck without KNOWING that contraception is involved. And you can only control a rubber. She may say she is on the pill etc., but you have no clue. Rubbers. Use em or face 18 years of baby mama buying her latest boyfriend's beer with your money.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:03:00
Is there some reason that the little whore can't go out and get a job? Her whorish mother rakes in the bucks, let her pay the bills for her little mistake. Fuck all golddiggers AND their little shit stain brats.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:03:43
Who cares about these Eskimos of hillbilly extraction? All I know is Bristol has huge knockers! She can make good money showing them off. While the trailer trash dirtbag she chose to fuck works on his GED (hes been trying to get it for two years now? lol), Bristol can live the high life off her tits!
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:05:58
Good points #21. You're one of the more (the few) level-headed women commenting here.
Wanna go out?
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:35:54
#20 thinks $14,000 a year is "good coin". Wow.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:50:28
So, #20, you're a scumbag not supporting your child. Congratulations asshole.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:51:31
#21. Biology is unfair I guess. Until men can give birth, I guess they will have to be more careful where they stick their dicks...
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:53:27
#12 sounds like a deadbeat Dad or a family law attorney
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:53:39
No, there is no "set amount" it costs to raise a child. People with more means should hopefully take better care of their children. In NY it's 17% for one child and goes up to a max of 35% for like 5 or more kids.
Both parents are expected to contribute. Dad's measly 17% isn't going to buy a kid everything he needs in a month. Child support isn't *just* for diapers and clothing, it's for housing, (and all the things that go into housing heat, electric, hot water, etc.) education, clothes, food, education, all that crap. Grow the fuck up men, take care of your kids, and quit bitching about it.
By WD, on January 22, 2010 10:56:35
Maybe if less of you didn't use the pull-out method, you'd have fewer children to support. Remember boys, condoms are cheaper than children.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 10:57:21
Nice Trig comment Todd... but i'd hit both Palin's... at the same time
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 11:07:08
There should be a burdon on women to file a an annual report that sets out exactly what the expenses are. If a judge thinks the expenses are reasonable, an order is entered and both parties pay half.
That's the only fair way to do it. Too bad it'll never happen and men will continue to be forced to pay more than what is required.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 12:16:32
I never meant to be so bad to you
One thing I said that I would never do
A look from you and I would fall from grace
And that would wipe the smile right from my face
Do you remember when we used to dance
And incidents arose from circumstance
One thing led to another we were young
And we would scream together songs unsung
It was the heat of the moment
Telling me what my heart meant
The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
And now you find yourself in '82
The disco hot spots hold no charm for you
You can concern yourself with bigger things
You catch a pearl and ride the dragon's wings
'Cause it's the heat of the moment
The heat of the moment
The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
And when your looks are gone and you're alone
How many nights you sit beside the phone
What were the things you wanted for yourself
Teenage ambitions you remember well
It was the heat of the moment
Telling me what your heart meant
The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
It was the heat of the moment
The heat of the moment
The heat of the moment showed in your eyes
Heat of the moment...
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 12:42:22
The guy made a baby and shouldn't be required to support it?
I don't understand the complaint with him having to contribute to his own child based upon his income. It's always a percentage so people bringing up the "average" support payment are just clouding the issue.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 13:26:27
Who cares? Everyone in this story is trailer trash.
No matter how much money they have, get, or think they're entitled to.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 13:30:39
#20=Tiger Woods.
By JJM, on January 22, 2010 14:22:38
We need a Maury Povich Law...if you are so fucken stupid that you have to go on a talk show for help to find yo babiez daddy,then u get NO SUPPORT an ur tubes tied live on the air!!!!!!!!!!!!
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 15:30:51
It's like a lottery for having a vagina.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 15:34:08
#16..#12 doesn't get child support because her baby's fathers are black, all five of them. Duh.
By Storm, on January 22, 2010 16:01:05
All us guys have the final say on whether we pay child suppport or not- by not impregnating a woman to start with. Unless some women rapes you or steals your sperm, you share responsibility. Therefore you owe.
Same for alimony. No one forces you to get married. When you do that, you bring your own doom upon yourself(or not).
By buckstopshere, on January 22, 2010 16:02:48
Levi needs to ask for a paternity test for Tripp. Maybe he can get a two-for-one. Who's Trig's daddy? And while we're asking, who's his mommy? 'Cause it sure aint Sarah.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 16:45:14
I can't believe that dumb ass McCain brought these retards out of the woodwork just to get the Hilary votes. Now every time they fart they are in the fucking news. The whole fucked up family needs to die in a plane crash.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 18:50:43
My ex wife and I both make 6 figures. We had 2 kids together. She pays me $600/mo. Levi paying that much is absurd. For the most part, the law is as fair a system as you're going to get, though and those who don't pay are worthless excuses for humans (I'm talking to you, #20).
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 18:55:31
Kiddo's, the solution is quite simple.
In most states, you as a dude can go to court and sign away/terminate your rights to the child thus limiting your financial obligations to said offspring.
Of course if you're a media man whore whos only claim to fame is not pulling out in time, then you might not want to do this since it would really make you look like a real jack ass in the long term.
If you're just looking to stay on your mothers couch watching Snorks reruns it's a good call.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 19:41:04
Levi is a man whore and deserves to financially support his child. All his fame (money) is because of the Palin family. Alaska child support is based on a % of earnings. He is getting off cheap.
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 19:56:03
Come on Todd - have a heart! The poor girl has two kids to raise.
waits for it...
By anonymous, on January 22, 2010 20:53:05
$12000 was what he was going to have to pay. Try reading you idiot.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 00:23:03
Let me get this straight:
Sarah Palin got crucified b/c her daughter got preg
On the other hand
John Edwards got his g/f preg while his DYING wife
Was campaigning for him...
AND he paid his g/f from donated $$
AND he got a staffer to lie and take the fall
AND he lied to American public about it
AND he is going to raise kid on OUR tax $$
And no one's saying shit about him
Wow
Double standard, anyone?
P.S. For all you people bitching about child support
What about forcing Mom to give up TIME the same way?
Dads who see their kids pay support - Fact
So be JUST as hard on Moms who deny time
As on Dads who don't pay
P.P.S. Lawyers are looking at Edwards and saying
"That prick gives us a bad name."
By john Edwards is a soulless bastard who is going to hell, on January 23, 2010 00:48:17
#52 is 100% incorrect
In fact, in most states (maybe all), a guy who signs
An agreement to pay support and exercise no visit
May find that "the kids" - thru Mom - can, years
Later, demand their child support (since they
Didn't agree to give it up) BUT - since Dad
Hasntseen the kids for years - it's "not in their
best interest to have regular visitation."
so NO dads cannot "give up their rights"
(Click my name for moire info)
By Rick, on January 23, 2010 02:07:07
I am a female speaking in defense of men that are treated unfairly regarding child support.
If we females want equality, this should fall under that premise also.
If a female chooses to have her baby, she should also be accountable for her part equally financially raising the child. There should be a legal document on this particular point.
Many women have children as a way of income.
Sadly, this situation will never change and we females appear to never learn the basics.
As for the guys, there are good ones and bad ones just as there are females. However, it does appear that the male species is treated unfairly often in divorce and child support issues.
The lesson is - GUYS - make better decisions who you sleep with and ask yourself is it worth all that may come from this moment in your life?
I like my fellow females but I tend to like guys better. If only - the majority of them realized and were educated about the motives of quite a few females.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 05:50:30
Im a single father who's been raising his 9yr old daughter for the last 8 yrs alone without a cent in child support from her deadbeat mother..Fuck all you bitches who think your the only ones entitled to child support an fuck all of you who think its just you bitches that step up an raise kids alone...
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 07:58:22
The post by Todd is un fair. Woman that live on their child Woman who live off child support are a small % and most of the time the baby daddy would have seen this if they took time to think before they put it in her but after all it was the big fake tits, fake tan and nails and hooker look that mad you want to f$$$ in the 1st place don't be mad now that you have to pay for it. Think twice or wrap it up. A good woman and mother uses all support to better the life of her child and works hard to pay for her baby ( 4 times more $ or more than the support payment).
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 08:35:53
#54 she could always get them out, id pay to see that Bristol is hot.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 08:43:01
Bitches ain't shit but ho's and tricks......
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 08:44:26
I don't get why it is so hard for guys to use a fucking condom. I may be drunk as fuck on Friday & Saturday nights but before I stumble around to plunge my cock into a drunk ass girl I picked up from the club, I make sure to put a condom on.
I have no comment on Child Support payment amount or how much it should cost but the fact is that if you're fucking dumb enough not to use a condom or birth control pill or spermicide & so on. You should pay for child support until the kid is 18.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 10:14:43
Let someone write a "book" for her and sell it like Mommy did. Or get a job. It's all too funny. "I rode Levi like a pommel horse, but kids, don't YOU try this at home!".
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 10:37:49
You couldn't make a funnier family valus comedy show than these fuckheads.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 12:14:27
Next time Bristol, learn to take it in the ass. Like your mama. She knows.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 12:17:49
For 99% of the comments here the issue is not that men should support their kids, it's how much is resonable, equitable between both parents and truly used for the chid's wellbeing.
I think a lot of immoral lawyers and press-frightnened PC judges have turned this complex, subjective debate into a simple "fuck 'em if he has a penis" exercise.
By noMercy4u, on January 23, 2010 15:05:03
#56 the election is over, Palin lost.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 15:24:56
As someone who spent most of their childhood living in poverty because of a deadbeat dad who skipped out on a measly $200/month, I really don't appreciate these comments. Regardless of what you think of the parents' choices, it's the child who suffers. And it's not that easy for a teenage mother with no education to find a job that can support themselves and a child. The cost of daycare alone rules out any of the min. wage options.
By anonymous, on January 23, 2010 17:19:42
My parents had myself and my brother. Shortly thereafter my dad took off to escape child support. He had 2 kids and couldn't even handle a 50/month payment. Some of these comments make me sick. Oh so because the woman got pregnant its her fault and responsibility? Thats the problem in this country, nobody ever takes responsibility and its always someone else's fault. My mom busted her ass to raise my brother and I with no help from my dead-beat dad. If you are stupid enough to have sex without a condom then you have to suffer the consequences. Raising a child is not easy and it sure as hell isn't cheap. Why is up to the mother to do everything but the guy gets a free ride? My step-father had custody of all three of his kids when my mom married him. He took responsibility, why shouldn't that ass Levi take responsibility as well?
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 04:41:23
#69 & #70 your mothers should have kept their "lips" shut. Like $200 a month would have made a huge differrence in your life.
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 06:19:58
#71 maybe their dad should have just covered their dicks?
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 08:25:12
You people are absolute idiots. Child support is based on the father's income. Period. It would be stupid and irresponsible of her to NOT file for child support.
I'm with #1 - won't waste my time with this adolescent site ever again.
By Layla, on January 24, 2010 08:54:34
Good... Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Cunt
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 09:18:44
Why is the use of birth control limited to men? Don't women have options? The pill, IUDs, etc. It's time women were held accountable. Not everything is a man's fault.
By mike, on January 24, 2010 09:39:48
Bristol is fat in that picture. Ugly jizz dumpster.
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 09:52:43
Bristol was pregnant in that picture shortbus.
Ladies you've got to be forceful about getting the rubber on the guy. Suck him a little and then slip it on.
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 12:18:13
"shortbus" lol
By anonymous, on January 24, 2010 13:56:31
Bristol Palin=Breed cow.Like mother,like daughter.
Fuck em' both.
By anonymous, on January 25, 2010 13:46:24
Wow. Bottom line, there is no excuse in this day and age for not wearing a condom. None. If you play, be prepared to pay your portion for 18 years. No, one parent should not be solely responsible for paying for raising a child, but i would assume that it's far more difficult to work full-time as the parent with 100% custody of that child - someone has to care for them during the day, at least until they reach school age - therefore, it's going to cost someone more. Probably the one who is able to work. Not to mention that the cost of living in Alaska ain't cheap. If daddy and mommy can afford to live comfortably, why should the child they carelessly made live in poverty?
By anonymous, on January 26, 2010 10:43:29
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