I like how tommy whoever says that this was in return for all TC gave to "the church." So...the church paid the guy who did all that work then? No? Hmm.
I do wish our pansy country would stop being so P.C. and outlaw this fucking CULT. That said...where does human trafficking come into the picture here?
Why is this guy complaining about his low pay? If he didn't like it he should have found another job! Who cares if Tom Cruise did pay lots of money, who would work for him?
Mr Tom Cruise is a wonderful human being. It is thrilling to see his movies and be inspired by his talent. Mr Cruise is a wonderful caring generous human being. It is wonderful that he is working on new motion pictures to inspire and challenge us to become better more thrilling human beings working and striving to the good of all human beings.
I do wish our pansy country would stop being so P.C. and outlaw this fucking CULT.
How is Scientology any worse than the other fictional cults like Judaism or Christianity? Illogical bullshit is illogical bullshit, whatever stupid name you put on it.
ok number 9, what is logical about atheism is that we dont push our mindless shit onto others and when they are not interested we go kill them. which is what every major religion has done at some point in history. "faith" has killed more people than any disease could ever dream of. if god is out there he would surely be pissed at his name getting dragged into all the bullshit of the world.
@#9: What's logical about atheism is that, seeing insufficient evidence to believe in gawd, the atheist chooses not to have a belief in gawd. That's more rational believing in a gawd even though you don't have the evidence to back up that belief. (Please note that there's a difference between having no belief in a deity and believing there is no deity, by the way.)
All of those claiming Scientologists have the right to believe whatever crazy crap they want are correct. The problem most anti-Scientologists have is with the CHURCH of Scientology, not the religion itself. Read up on your facts, then decide or agree whether or not you think these people are dangerous freaks who need to be seriously investigated. Go check out Operation Clambake or one of the similar sites.
10 - the things you say might be true, but none of them mean God doesn't exist. also, to say atheist belief systems haven't killed anyone is patently false.
12 - I'm aware of the difference between atheism and agnosticism. Which are you? Tell me what's 'logical' about requiring evidence for something that is by commonly accepted definitions non-material? Can you provide evidence that God does not exist? Can you provide evidence to support the belief that for something to exist there has to be evidence for it?
The burden of proof is on the person saying that something exists despite a lack of evidence. What you're arguing is like saying "you cant prove there's NOT an invisible pink elephant in this room, so my belief that there is one is just as logical as your belief that there isn't."
Scientology is the only thing on earth gayer than Tom Cruise...but it's very, very close. Faggy little dwarf hasn't made a decent movie in like 20 years.
This is not new news. All of this was written in the Tom Cruise: An Unauthorized Biography 5 years ago. Apparently, the Sea Org slave workers built all kinds of stuff for TC and Nicole Kidman back in the day. I just figured he was an untouchable like every other celebrity and would get away with it. Glad to read there may be an investigation happening?
14 is right: agnostics are logical; atheists are religious supremacists who claim that all other beliefs must submit to them because theirs has been proved by some as yet undiscovered science.
Atheists are also ignorant of such little problems as the uncertainty principle and the incompleteness theorem. But then evidence doesn't matter to supremacist zealots.
The belief that there must NOT be a god is just as faith-based as Jesus rising from the dead, etc. In fact, more so, because there is some bad evidence for Jesus's resurrection, but none for the assertion that god MUST NOT exist.
Atheists, then, are much like Christians, only they incline more towards supremacism and intolerance.
Why are atheists always so aggresive in mocking and hating on those with faith? If I decided to go against the belief there is a God then why do you waste so much time ridiculing those you disagree?
Why can't you leave well enough alone? Perhaps you will never be able to understand all the good and worth these faithful people have find. And the only solution to demean & abuse them.
Here's a clue to atheists- no matter how superior you jerks think you are, you will never find the true happiness or purpose with so much hate and bigotry in your hearts against others.
If you don't want God in your lives thats your choice, but you have no right to ban or destroy religon. Only the truely evil like to censor or outlaw something as important to society as Christianity or Judiasm.
Oh, and for those who think evil religion has killed more than other foe or disease. Please educate yourself because there us a little atheist stalwart idea called communism.
It has killed well over 100 millions of innocent peoples & has enslaved countless others in some of the worst regimes in mankind's history. So, sorry nothing in any other religion's history comes cloes to the atrocities of the atheists' founding ideology-communism. Straight up facts, folks.
Oh, before the atheist maroons - (12, 10, & 7) attempted to ruin this wonderful moment. Let me say this, I pray for nuts like Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson.
These folks are so mentally disturbed they need the craziest strains of organizations that claim religious recognition.
Of course you need personal freedom to choose and leave any group, including religions. Scientology doesn't allow this luxury & is in fact a looney tunes cult.
Also, kudos to #9 & #14 for standing up to those anti- religious bigots that exist to hate and dismantle our beliefs. Christians, like myself, truely appreciate the defense you provide against these idiotic bullies. Thanks.
And thanks to #15 for the Cartman reference. Although, I do believe his hatred against so many groups of people really fits in well with the typical Mahar atheist.
Katie Holmes is proof that Scientology is dangerous. She seemed so innocent, impressionable, sweet, and beautiful before she met Tom Cruise. Now she's like the walking dead.
PS: Most Americans don't even understand the definition of atheism, and thus embarrass themselves when trying to formulate any kind of argument against it.
Atheism is lack of belief on god(s) - nothing more. In the same way, one might not believe in fairies or leprechauns - doesn't mean to say that they DEFINITELY don't exist. It is not a statement of certainty - it is an admission of the obvious. The burden of proof is on the one who makes the extraordinary claims.
People who think 'agnosticism' is a more respectable position are ignorant imbeciles who don't undertsand simple definitions.
Why are christians always so aggresive in mocking and hating on those without faith? If I decided to go against the belief there isn't a god then why do you waste so much time ridiculing those you disagree?
Why can't you leave well enough alone? Perhaps you will never be able to understand all the good and worth these people who aren't sheep and don't believe one book of hate and absurdities called the bible that was stolen from the Jews which they stole from the Egyptians people have done to those who don't believe as they do. And the only solution to demean & abuse them.
Here's a clue to christians- no matter how superior you jerks think you are, you will never find the true happiness or purpose with so much delusion about fantasy men in the clouds and things you have no proof of because you're basically fooling yourself with the bigotry in your hearts you have that you weren't born with, you were taught, by people who hate, and deride others, and you break yourself into smaller groups of xtians to feel more smug about other groups of xitans, repeat.
If you don't want the obvious truth in your lives that you're living in word that may as well be dungeons and dragons, that's your choice, but you have no right to ban or destroy people who have a clue that living in a fantasy of hate that is any organized religion, and if there was no religion there'd be fewer wars and more peace, but because of religion, the world is a much more violent place. Only the truely evil like xtians are the ones that censor or outlaw something as important to society as atheism because they don't want to see there is no man behind the curtain.
Oh, and for those who think evil atheism has killed more than other foe or disease. Please educate yourself because there us a little xtian stalwart idea called the Crusades, and basically WWI and WWII, oh and operation dessert storm, and pretty much every war has been started by xtian ideology, where as if atheists were in charge, it wouldn't be about trying to get others to be some pure race of one religion.
Christianity has killed well over 100 of biillions of innocent peoples & has enslaved countless others in some of the worst regimes in mankind's history, such as Hitler's take in xtianity, British rule, America's foreign policy thinly cloaked as being tolerant, etc. So, sorry nothing in any other religion's history comes cloes to the atrocities of all religions put together. Straight up facts, folks unless you're a delusional wingnut fuckjob like 20 who still believes in mythical creatures and narrow concepts of the world, one that thanks to his religion has caused more strife than any atheism ever could.
16 - The positive claim, “there is no God” is an ontological claim. Should this be considered true until it is demonstrated false, as both Atheists and agnostics wish it to be? Positive claims come with a burden of proof. So where is the evidence that supports the positive claim that there is no God? Under the materialist understanding of knowledge, any and all evidence to support an assertion must be physical, subjectable to empirical, experimental, replicable verification. Addressing the subject of a non-material entity is outside and beyond the capability of materialism to either confirm or disconfirm. So there is no possible material, empirical evidence to support the positive assertion that there is no God. Thus the assertion is a purely metaphysical speculation and cannot be anything other than that – until it becomes a religious dogma.
What are we to make of positive materialist claims that if I cannot see it, or sense it somehow, it does not exist? This claim cannot be verified empirically, and falls into the same metaphysical category as Atheist claims. And it is also subject to becoming religious dogma – to be deeply believed without any proof.
24 - what you're describing as Atheism is in fact agnosticism.
#7: Where did I say anything about my feelings on mainstream religions? I didn't. You seem to somehow think that in calling scientology a cult, I was insinuating that mainstream religions are right. You have no idea what my religion or opinion of religion is. But since you ask what the difference is between scientology and mainstream Christianity and Judiasim, I'll explain. Neither Christianity nor Judiasm cuts members off from their families, ships them off to sea for months and threatens members IF they seek contact with family members; they do not threaten to reveal secrets to employers, friends, and family when members wish to leave the church; they do not demand SUBJECTIVE payment OR labor in order to reach higher "levels."
I'm not talking about the history of any major religion, nor of Scientology. I'm talking about what is going on now. Scientology is STILL killing people in their attempts to force their beliefs on them; scientology sets up rehab centers for addicts and DOESN'T ADMIT their affiliation in a blatant effort to recruit the mentally fucked up; scientologists often lock up members with psych problems and refuse to give them meds, leaving laborers with no qualifications to take care of them for looong periods of time; the number of scientologists who, before joining, were diagnosed with mental diseases, and upon leaving, had nothing left in their bank accounts, is astounding. Documents have revealed that they intentionally recruit celebrities AND the weak for money.
If you want more examples, do your own fucking research. There's a reason that OTHER COUNTRIES do not allow this organization to recruit nor to call themselves a church or religion.
athe·ism noun ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm 1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity - Merriam Webster Online
Atheists do indeed say there is definitely no God. What you're describing as Atheism is in fact agnosticism.
32 Comments:
Leave Your CommentDear Tom.. not only are you a short, aging crazy cuch hopper, but you're a cheapskate. Hope Xenu roots you in the arse.
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 04:35:10
Scientology is a dangerous cult started by a fat guy who liked science fiction.
...and boys... lots and lots of young boys.
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 04:39:33
I like how tommy whoever says that this was in return for all TC gave to "the church." So...the church paid the guy who did all that work then? No? Hmm.
I do wish our pansy country would stop being so P.C. and outlaw this fucking CULT. That said...where does human trafficking come into the picture here?
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 05:08:24
Why is this guy complaining about his low pay? If he didn't like it he should have found another job! Who cares if Tom Cruise did pay lots of money, who would work for him?
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 05:15:08
Mr Tom Cruise is a wonderful human being.
It is thrilling to see his movies and be inspired by his talent.
Mr Cruise is a wonderful caring generous human being.
It is wonderful that he is working on new motion pictures to inspire and challenge us to become better more thrilling human beings working and striving to the good of all human beings.
By X33-E24Y, on February 8, 2011 05:33:07
HAIL XENU! ........snicker, can't even type it with a straight face.
By Deadsider, on February 8, 2011 05:42:36
I do wish our pansy country would stop being so P.C. and outlaw this fucking CULT.
How is Scientology any worse than the other fictional cults like Judaism or Christianity? Illogical bullshit is illogical bullshit, whatever stupid name you put on it.
By Atheist, on February 8, 2011 07:07:48
uhh HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!! Who cares about the dumb assholes who are too stupid to get proper compensation. They are trafficking people.
By TheWizard666, on February 8, 2011 07:33:03
7 - explain to me what's 'logical' about atheism. It's as much a faith statement as theism is.
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 08:39:49
ok number 9, what is logical about atheism is that we dont push our mindless shit onto others and when they are not interested we go kill them. which is what every major religion has done at some point in history. "faith" has killed more people than any disease could ever dream of. if god is out there he would surely be pissed at his name getting dragged into all the bullshit of the world.
By andy, on February 8, 2011 09:28:14
If any of you are Christians, or religious at all, you have no place to criticise stupid, unfounded beliefs.
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 09:43:24
@#9: What's logical about atheism is that, seeing insufficient evidence to believe in gawd, the atheist chooses not to have a belief in gawd. That's more rational believing in a gawd even though you don't have the evidence to back up that belief. (Please note that there's a difference between having no belief in a deity and believing there is no deity, by the way.)
By O.R. yrebbor, on February 8, 2011 10:35:53
All of those claiming Scientologists have the right to believe whatever crazy crap they want are correct. The problem most anti-Scientologists have is with the CHURCH of Scientology, not the religion itself. Read up on your facts, then decide or agree whether or not you think these people are dangerous freaks who need to be seriously investigated. Go check out Operation Clambake or one of the similar sites.
By Ugh, on February 8, 2011 11:53:05
10 - the things you say might be true, but none of them mean God doesn't exist.
also, to say atheist belief systems haven't killed anyone is patently false.
12 - I'm aware of the difference between atheism and agnosticism. Which are you?
Tell me what's 'logical' about requiring evidence for something that is by commonly accepted definitions non-material? Can you provide evidence that God does not exist?
Can you provide evidence to support the belief that for something to exist there has to be evidence for it?
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 12:07:27
RELIGION WAR!!!
(It's best if you imagine that like Cartman's "CRIPPLE WAR!" Thanks).
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 12:21:46
The burden of proof is on the person saying that something exists despite a lack of evidence. What you're arguing is like saying "you cant prove there's NOT an invisible pink elephant in this room, so my belief that there is one is just as logical as your belief that there isn't."
By Atheist, on February 8, 2011 14:06:01
Scientology is the only thing on earth gayer than Tom Cruise...but it's very, very close. Faggy little dwarf hasn't made a decent movie in like 20 years.
By Lord Xenu of the Magic Volcano, on February 8, 2011 14:51:43
This is not new news. All of this was written in the Tom Cruise: An Unauthorized Biography 5 years ago. Apparently, the Sea Org slave workers built all kinds of stuff for TC and Nicole Kidman back in the day. I just figured he was an untouchable like every other celebrity and would get away with it. Glad to read there may be an investigation happening?
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 15:31:46
14 is right: agnostics are logical; atheists are religious supremacists who claim that all other beliefs must submit to them because theirs has been proved by some as yet undiscovered science.
Atheists are also ignorant of such little problems as the uncertainty principle and the incompleteness theorem. But then evidence doesn't matter to supremacist zealots.
The belief that there must NOT be a god is just as faith-based as Jesus rising from the dead, etc. In fact, more so, because there is some bad evidence for Jesus's resurrection, but none for the assertion that god MUST NOT exist.
Atheists, then, are much like Christians, only they incline more towards supremacism and intolerance.
By Wolfgang Pauli, on February 8, 2011 16:27:12
Why are atheists always so aggresive in mocking and hating on those with faith? If I decided to go against the belief there is a God then why do you waste so much time ridiculing those you disagree?
Why can't you leave well enough alone? Perhaps you will never be able to understand all the good and worth these faithful people have find. And the only solution to demean & abuse them.
Here's a clue to atheists- no matter how superior you jerks think you are, you will never find the true happiness or purpose with so much hate and bigotry in your hearts against others.
If you don't want God in your lives thats your choice, but you have no right to ban or destroy religon. Only the truely evil like to censor or outlaw something as important to society as Christianity or Judiasm.
Oh, and for those who think evil religion has killed more than other foe or disease. Please educate yourself because there us a little atheist stalwart idea called communism.
It has killed well over 100 millions of innocent peoples & has enslaved countless others in some of the worst regimes in mankind's history. So, sorry nothing in any other religion's history comes cloes to the atrocities of the atheists' founding ideology-communism. Straight up facts, folks.
By Shawn Tzu, on February 8, 2011 16:32:01
Oh, before the atheist maroons - (12, 10, & 7) attempted to ruin this wonderful moment. Let me say this, I pray for nuts like Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson.
These folks are so mentally disturbed they need the craziest strains of organizations that claim religious recognition.
Of course you need personal freedom to choose and leave any group, including religions. Scientology doesn't allow this luxury & is in fact a looney tunes cult.
Also, kudos to #9 & #14 for standing up to those anti- religious bigots that exist to hate and dismantle our beliefs. Christians, like myself, truely appreciate the defense you provide against these idiotic bullies. Thanks.
And thanks to #15 for the Cartman reference. Although, I do believe his hatred against so many groups of people really fits in well with the typical Mahar atheist.
By Shawn Tzu, on February 8, 2011 16:41:21
Ron L Hubbard may have been fat but when he thought of the church it was as a joke not as the serious cult that is Scientology today.
Now look at all the fools that follow it :/
By Moodel, on February 8, 2011 20:33:07
Katie Holmes is proof that Scientology is dangerous. She seemed so innocent, impressionable, sweet, and beautiful before she met Tom Cruise. Now she's like the walking dead.
By anonymous, on February 8, 2011 23:37:40
@21 - atheist 'maroons'? You're a MORON.
PS: Most Americans don't even understand the definition of atheism, and thus embarrass themselves when trying to formulate any kind of argument against it.
Atheism is lack of belief on god(s) - nothing more. In the same way, one might not believe in fairies or leprechauns - doesn't mean to say that they DEFINITELY don't exist. It is not a statement of certainty - it is an admission of the obvious. The burden of proof is on the one who makes the extraordinary claims.
People who think 'agnosticism' is a more respectable position are ignorant imbeciles who don't undertsand simple definitions.
By anonymous, on February 9, 2011 00:24:26
Why are christians always so aggresive in mocking and hating on those without faith? If I decided to go against the belief there isn't a god then why do you waste so much time ridiculing those you disagree?
Why can't you leave well enough alone? Perhaps you will never be able to understand all the good and worth these people who aren't sheep and don't believe one book of hate and absurdities called the bible that was stolen from the Jews which they stole from the Egyptians people have done to those who don't believe as they do. And the only solution to demean & abuse them.
Here's a clue to christians- no matter how superior you jerks think you are, you will never find the true happiness or purpose with so much delusion about fantasy men in the clouds and things you have no proof of because you're basically fooling yourself with the bigotry in your hearts you have that you weren't born with, you were taught, by people who hate, and deride others, and you break yourself into smaller groups of xtians to feel more smug about other groups of xitans, repeat.
If you don't want the obvious truth in your lives that you're living in word that may as well be dungeons and dragons, that's your choice, but you have no right to ban or destroy people who have a clue that living in a fantasy of hate that is any organized religion, and if there was no religion there'd be fewer wars and more peace, but because of religion, the world is a much more violent place. Only the truely evil like xtians are the ones that censor or outlaw something as important to society as atheism because they don't want to see there is no man behind the curtain.
Oh, and for those who think evil atheism has killed more than other foe or disease. Please educate yourself because there us a little xtian stalwart idea called the Crusades, and basically WWI and WWII, oh and operation dessert storm, and pretty much every war has been started by xtian ideology, where as if atheists were in charge, it wouldn't be about trying to get others to be some pure race of one religion.
Christianity has killed well over 100 of biillions of innocent peoples & has enslaved countless others in some of the worst regimes in mankind's history, such as Hitler's take in xtianity, British rule, America's foreign policy thinly cloaked as being tolerant, etc. So, sorry nothing in any other religion's history comes cloes to the atrocities of all religions put together. Straight up facts, folks unless you're a delusional wingnut fuckjob like 20 who still believes in mythical creatures and narrow concepts of the world, one that thanks to his religion has caused more strife than any atheism ever could.
By chucky, on February 9, 2011 06:08:22
16 - The positive claim, “there is no God” is an ontological claim. Should this be considered true until it is demonstrated false, as both Atheists and agnostics wish it to be? Positive claims come with a burden of proof. So where is the evidence that supports the positive claim that there is no God? Under the materialist understanding of knowledge, any and all evidence to support an assertion must be physical, subjectable to empirical, experimental, replicable verification. Addressing the subject of a non-material entity is outside and beyond the capability of materialism to either confirm or disconfirm. So there is no possible material, empirical evidence to support the positive assertion that there is no God. Thus the assertion is a purely metaphysical speculation and cannot be anything other than that – until it becomes a religious dogma.
What are we to make of positive materialist claims that if I cannot see it, or sense it somehow, it does not exist? This claim cannot be verified empirically, and falls into the same metaphysical category as Atheist claims. And it is also subject to becoming religious dogma – to be deeply believed without any proof.
24 - what you're describing as Atheism is in fact agnosticism.
By 14, on February 9, 2011 11:12:25
#7: Where did I say anything about my feelings on mainstream religions? I didn't. You seem to somehow think that in calling scientology a cult, I was insinuating that mainstream religions are right. You have no idea what my religion or opinion of religion is. But since you ask what the difference is between scientology and mainstream Christianity and Judiasim, I'll explain. Neither Christianity nor Judiasm cuts members off from their families, ships them off to sea for months and threatens members IF they seek contact with family members; they do not threaten to reveal secrets to employers, friends, and family when members wish to leave the church; they do not demand SUBJECTIVE payment OR labor in order to reach higher "levels."
I'm not talking about the history of any major religion, nor of Scientology. I'm talking about what is going on now. Scientology is STILL killing people in their attempts to force their beliefs on them; scientology sets up rehab centers for addicts and DOESN'T ADMIT their affiliation in a blatant effort to recruit the mentally fucked up; scientologists often lock up members with psych problems and refuse to give them meds, leaving laborers with no qualifications to take care of them for looong periods of time; the number of scientologists who, before joining, were diagnosed with mental diseases, and upon leaving, had nothing left in their bank accounts, is astounding. Documents have revealed that they intentionally recruit celebrities AND the weak for money.
If you want more examples, do your own fucking research. There's a reason that OTHER COUNTRIES do not allow this organization to recruit nor to call themselves a church or religion.
By anonymous, on February 9, 2011 11:40:31
@26
you're plainly wrong. what is described is athiesm, NOT agnosticism. look in a dictionary.
athiest do not say "there is DEFINITELY no god"... merely that they do not believe in god or gods.
How hard is it to comprehend?
Atheism is not a belief system... calling it such is as stupid as asserting bald-headedness as a hair colour.
By anonymous, on February 9, 2011 12:34:17
28 -
athe·ism
noun ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm
1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity
- Merriam Webster Online
Atheists do indeed say there is definitely no God. What you're describing as Atheism is in fact agnosticism.
By 14, on February 9, 2011 13:34:54
@29
you seeemingly cannot grasp basic definition.
NONE of those definitions imply a position or a view that there is definitely... note the word.... DEFINITELY... no god(s).
I don't believe in fairies... but I do not assert that there are DEFINITELY no fairies.
Wake up moron.
By anonymous, on February 9, 2011 17:07:49
30 - there's no need to use the word 'definitely'. It's understood and implied in the definition.
"the doctrine that there is no deity"
It doesn't get much clearer than that. This is true Atheism. Insisting it says something else won't change that.
By 14, on February 10, 2011 03:19:26
God schmod; I believe in the power of pussy.
By Chocalottadingdong, on February 12, 2011 18:55:52
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